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Centre treating Gujarat as an enemy state, says Modi

Last updated on: October 11, 2012 14:45 IST

Centre treating Gujarat as an enemy state, says Modi

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In an exclusive Interview to CNN-IBN's editor-in-chief Rajdeep Sardesai, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has accused the Centre of treating Gujarat as an 'enemy' state. He also now claims that he never questioned expenses on Sonia Gandhi's health, but only on her foreign travel.

Modi also claimed that he was only focused on the Gujarat elections and that reports of his prime ministerial ambitions and wanting to move to Delhi after the Gujarat assembly elections were media speculation.

He precisely kept mum on the questions of Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar and campaigning in Bihar and apologising for 2002 riots. He also assured the Bharatiya Janata Party of a spectacular win in this assembly election, even bigger, he claimed, than 2007.

We present the transcripts of the interview

On Vivekanand Yuva Vikas Yatra

This is the 150th year of Swami Vivekananda Jayanti. Our government has taken up youth programmes since last January. We are celebrating this year as the year of the youth. Our main objective is skill development. In 21st century India's 65 per cent population is below 35yr of age. We have to tone their skills and strengthen their hands. To compete with China we have to develop the skills. With this basic objective we have planned this youth programme. Our youth today feels inspired by two names -- Shaheed Bhagat Singh and Swami Vivekanand.

On using Vivekanand's name for politics

This programme is running since last one year. I've not decided on Vivekanand's 150th anniversary. This is a good thing. This is an election year and I think it's the responsibility of the political parties and the social organisations that they should work towards strengthening intuitions in a democracy.

We should go to the people and create awareness. There are Vivekanand yuva parishads in all towns and cities. In all meetings I've gathered 2-2.5lakh youth and talked to them about Vivekananda and his ideology. So calling it a political yatra without Vivekananda's ideology, is wrong.

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Image: Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi


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'Gujarat is not fighting against Centre'

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On targeting Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh

Even in the run up to the election, whenever I get time I keep all the matters in detail before the people. Where there is a limitation of time I touch upon certain points and move to the next stop. In the last meeting I felt it's important to talk about water issues, so I talked about it.

I've not targeted any individual. Whatever is being said about Gujarat, I want to keep the right facts before the people. Gujarat is not fighting against Centre. We have complaint that in the last eight years the central government has treated Gujarat like an enemy state. They have treated Gujarat in a way what is also not expected for an enemy nation. The central agencies are being used against Gujarat.

Gujarat is the growth engine of the country today. But the central government only for political reasons is not leaving any chance to ruin the state.

On Sonia's health expense remark

I've not raised the question about (Congress president) Sonia Gandhi's health even once. Rather I had requested the prime minister of the country that Sonia Gandhi is the wife of our former prime minister and the entire country should be concerned about her good health and treatment.

India is a liberal country, we have big hearts, whatever expenses may be there from the government exchequer we should not bother about that and spend for her health. This should be kept out of the purview of RTI. That is my view point.

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Image: PM Manmohan Singh and Congress chief Sonia Gandhi
Photographs: Reuters

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'The govt, not Soniaji, should answer on the foreign trips'

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On Rs 1880 cr figure

That's a wrong accusation. You should watch the media recordings. In July many newspapers and magazines had given the figure through PTI that expenses on Sonia Gandhi's foreign trips in last three years had amounted to Rs 1880 crore.

Then I raised question...its three months since July, why the government is not giving any clarification? Soniaji is not answerable for this. The government of India should clear whether this money has gone from the state treasury or not, to avoid a bad name for Sonia Gandhi.

Then I said that those figures were taken from the newspapers, and if those appeared to be wrong, I would accept my fault. But the PMO has only answered about her health trips for treatment but there is no answer on her foreign trips.

I've never asked any question, I just talked about the figures published in newspapers. The RTI activists are raising question, not me.

One more revelation by Hisar RTI activist Ramesh Sharma has also come in our regional newspapers. He collected data from various foreign embassies. There was information from eight foreign high commissions about expenditure incurred on Sonia Gandhi's foreign trips. If the PMO is giving the figure of Rs 3 lakh and foreign embassies give the figure of 18 lakh, 14 lakh, then the PMO is concealing the information under RTI.

On making Sonia's foreign trip an election issue

You claim all the credit for bringing RTI. But what is the reality of RTI; it was my duty to inform the public. The prime minister's office itself is not respecting RTI. The entire issue was maligning Sonia's image and that's why I asked the PMO to come out with the exact figures.

I'm seeking people's vote only on the issue of development. I'm proud of it. I've the courage to ask the people whether they are happy about all these 11 years. But if anybody raises a voice against Gujarat I will answer that with all force. I'm ready to fight to any extent for the honour of Gujarat.

On criticism over Sonia Gandhi's health expenses remark

If the Congress claims the credit for RTI and glorifies it, but the people are not getting the benefit of the RTI, it's my responsibility to raise the voice in favour of the RTI activist. I consider it as my duty in a democracy.

On Modi vs Sonia

Many people are converting the issues like this since last 11 years, you can also do it. But I've cleared my position.

On Sonia Gandhi's Rajkot rally

Since 2002 I've been saying that the country needs development politics, not the vote bank politics. In 2007 again I said the same to save the country from vote bank politics. In 2012 I'm again appealing that the vote bank politics has destroyed the country and we have to move ahead with development agenda. After my 11 years of efforts if the Congress is ready to fight political battle on development issues, I welcome it.

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Image: Congress chief Sonia Gandhi
Photographs: Reuters

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'There should be a malnutrition survey carried out'

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On drought and water scarcity in Saurashtra region

Two years ago your channel had done a half-an-hour show on the good work done by the Gujarat government on water issues. There was a time, where 4,000 villages were depending on water tankers by the beginning of January or February.

Today we have supplied Narmada water through pipelines. This year, even after rain deficit over two months, we had to supply water though tankers to few villages only. Even in Kutch there is water. Earlier Border Security Force had kept 900 camels only to ferry drinking water for the BSF jawans in Rann. Now we are supplying Narmada water to them. Let Soniaji speak whatever she wants because of political reasons. But Gujarat has done a lot on water issues.

Second thing, I'm not yet happy about the development work in these 11 years. People might be happy. I say that I was filling the pits dug by the Congress in all these years. The process to build the Gujarat of my dream will begin now.

On malnutrition

The Planning Commission has not given any Gujarat specific figure on malnutrition. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has himself admitted that there is a very shameful situation across India on malnutrition. I've also appealed to work together. There is no specific survey or concrete data on malnutrition in the country. That's why I had asked for a scientific survey on malnutrition.

It should be brought out what are the region specific problems regarding malnutrition. Even at times water causes nutrition problems. There are many reasons and that's why we have to work together.

But first of all there should be a survey carried out. Gujarat is the first state in the country to start a specific programme called 'nutrition mission'. Around Rs 1000 crore we have allocated in budget for this programme. We are working towards it.

On M B Shah Commission

Justice Shah is a highly reputed judge. I had just given the entire memorandum on corruption submitted by the Congress to Justice Shah Commission. Congress has alleged Rs 65000 crore corruption in land deal. The Shah Commission found out that the land allotment was made in 1983 under the Congress CM. When the former CM would come to know about this, how embarrassing will it be for him that his own party men accuse him of corruption?

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Image: Modi addressing a gathering during the Swami Vivekananda Yuva Vikas Yatra
Photographs: Courtesy: Gujarat BJP

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'Modi critics are being rewarded with RS seats, Padma awards'

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On scars of 2002 riots

Media houses are surviving on this. The Modi critics are being rewarded with Rajya Sabha seats and Padma awards. I wish you all the best to keep this alive and get into Rajya Sabha or get Padma awards."

On going to Bihar

No response...

On huge support among youth and women

I've not analysed this....let the political pundits do this. I'm a servant and serving the people of Gujarat. I've not analysed much beyond this.

On 11 years tenure

There is no secret.....you serve with all honesty and dedication for the people, if they see your honest commitment, they even pardon your small mistakes. They should have confidence that you are working for their development.

On being workaholic

This is true. I'm an RSS worker. Since my early RSS years I used to get up at 'brahm muhurt that is just 10-15 before 3am. But after coming into politics it has become 5am now.

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Image: Modi waves to his supporters from his campaign bus during his ongoing yatra
Photographs: Courtesy: Gujarat BJP

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'BJP will register a spectacular win in Gujarat'

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On Gujarat election result and prime ministerial race

Have the people of this country given the mandate to the media in Delhi to find out the prime minister in 2014? I've been repeating that the six crore Gujaratis have given me the responsibility of Gujarat. I'm serving to the people of Gujarat. I'm investing all my time and energy to take Gujarat to new heights. I will keep on doing this.

In 2012 election BJP will register a spectacular win in Gujarat. My dream is to build 'Divya and Bhavya Gujarat' and after this election I will concentrate all my efforts on that.

On the image of being an autocrat

The success of Gujarat is because of the team Gujarat. My party BJP's success is because of team BJP. The government's team is behind the success of the government. If anyone claims to be doing everything on his own, that's wrong and false claim. No work is possible without the team. All the credit goes to the team.

On larger than the life image

People of Gujarat today know Narendra Modi because of the friends in media and my rivals who have been cursing me all these years. There was curiosity among people to know the truth. When they came to know the reality, they started liking me.

On promoting the larger than life image

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On sidelining the veteran leaders

No such criticism has come to my notice. But if I'm committing all the mistakes and if anybody brings to my notice that I've deliberately committed any mistake, then I will rectify that.

On Keshubhai leaving BJP

No response

On apologising for 2002 to become PM

No response


Image: Modi addressing a gathering during the Swami Vivekananda Yuva Vikas Yatra
Photographs: Courtesy: Gujarat BJP

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