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July 10, 2000
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Cronje's June 22 testimonyapproach, and you've just conceded to me now that if they didn't talk about it you would not have disclosed it to this Commission. Now I'm going to put it to you that are you denying Mr Boje's involvement simply because he has not said anything about it? MR CRONJE: What Mr Boje has said is absolutely 100% correct. I never spoke to him, I never joked to him, I never approached him. The only time that I know that Mr Boje was aware of anything like this was in the '96 meeting in India, Ms Batohi. MS BATOHI: You and Mr Boje are very close friends, is that correct? MR CRONJE: Since Mr Boje's birth, yes. MS BATOHI: Well, that would indicate you're extremely close friends and family as well, I believe. MR CRONJE: We're more than that. MS BATOHI: Would you lie to protect him? MR CRONJE: No. MS BATOHI: Now paragraph 49 on page 16 of your affidavit, statement. You say that: "I ignored Sanjay and Hamid the night before the first one day at Cochin, but when I was phoned the next day, the next morning and urged to go ahead", I think it should read, "....but then I was phoned the next morning and urged to go ahead." You then say: "I told them we would loose and that I had spoken to other players." Which players did you mention to him? MR CRONJE: I had a lot of conversations with Sanjay and I mentioned a lot of players, but if my memory serves me correctly the players that I mentioned in the first game in Cochin were Gibbs, myself, Boje, Hayward and Williams. MS BATOHI: Did you mention the names of any other players that have not featured in any of the released transcripts? MR CRONJE: Once again, I have not seen all the transcripts so I cannot tell you who the names are that have been in there. MS BATOHI: Alright, well tell me who the names are that you gave to Sanjay at any time. Who were the names that you mentioned? MR CRONJE: I believe that those are the only names that I mentioned. As I told you I had that brief encounter with Mr Kallis, Mr Klusener and Mr Boucher. MS BATOHI: Didn't you mention Mr Strydom to him as well? MR CRONJE: I'm sorry, I missed out Mr Strydom, but he wasn't playing in the first one-day international in Cochin. MS BATOHI: Just think again. Did you miss out any other names? MR CRONJE: No. MS BATOHI: Now just dealing with this first One-dayer at Cochin. I'd like to at this stage - you refer in your statement to the transcript that is attached to Ms Wilkinson-Luck's affidavit. I presume you have a copy of that. MR CRONJE: I don't have a copy on me, no, but I think I referred to what was shoved in front of my face the morning or the day that I arrived in Durban. MS BATOHI: Alright, we'll get a copy to you in a moment. Mr Commissioner, I need to deal with this now. Perhaps we could just arrange to have a copy of that transcripts that's attached to Ms Wilkinson-Luck's statement. Have you got that in front of you, Mr Cronjé? MR CRONJE: Of BA-W2, yes. MS BATOHI: Now perhaps you can assist us, Mr Cronjé. That first part of that transcript, if you can just read it and tell me whether you recall such a conversation taking place. MR CRONJE: "Sanjay: Is Strydom playing? Hansie: Yes, he is playing. Yeah. Sanjay: Boje? Hansie: Boje is playing. Sanjay: Yeah, Boje is play and who is playing? Gibbs? Hansie: Gibbs and myself. Sanjay: Ja, what about anybody else? Hansie: No, I won't be able to get more. Sanjay: You won't be able to get more? Hansie: No." MS BATOHI: Mr Cronjé, I just expected you to read it in your mind, but it doesn't matter. Do you recall such a conversation taking place? MR CRONJE: I had a lot of conversations with Sanjay, and I had a lot of conversations with a lot of people, and that could well be one of the conversations, yes. MS BATOHI: I'm going to hand you a copy of another transcript, which has been received from Interpol, but it contains essentially what is in that particular one as well, but just a little bit more. I'd like you to have a look at this and then I'll ask you for you comments in a moment. MR CRONJE: Thank you.
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