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When Karnataka and Tamil Nadu cant amicably settle the water dispute, how can we Indians expect an amicable solution for the Kashmir Problem? Magesh Srinivasan
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:52:25 +0530 Subject: 'We don't want to give a single drop of water'
It is time for TN & Centre to build a dam near the entry point of TN and say we don't need your water at all. Let the Karnataka Farmers have all the water even during the rainy season and not ask for flood money. Nagesh
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:06:32 +0530 Subject: 'We don't want to give a single drop of water'
The report is highly distressing. It speaks volumes of unity as a country we have for each other and regard we have for each other as fellow countrymen. The other aspect is it is high time that we started nationalisation of all the rivers. We were not united when we were attacked in the past by foreigners and we remain so even now. We talk of farmers of Karnataka and farmers of tamil nadu and so on. A farmer is farmer wherever he is. Sridharaan
Date:Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:34:22 +0530 Subject: 'We don't want to give a single drop of water'
How can the Chief Minister stop the release of Water to Tamil Nadu? How can a Chief Minister go against the order of the Supreme Court and still continue in the office? Is he above the law? This is a very serious matter. Mayank Bajaj
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:45:08 +1000 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
What junk. Should not your reporter have asked what did her party do for 50 years? Please don't publish garbage masquerading as interview and chat. There should be a proper question and answer and not servile fawning at the feet of the Lady. Himanshu Pota
Date:Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:28:13 +0800 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
Look at the plight of congress.They slept for almost 45 years and now talk through an italian to remind people that they exist to solve the kashmir problem.They still don't seem to realise that people are smarter these days and it will not work out.The party is further making fool of itself. Ram
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:53:16 +1000 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
I guess the reason why only Congress can solve the Kashmir problem is because it created it. Sachin Doshi
Date:Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:14:06 -0700 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
hee hee hee hee hee! Obviously the people (Congress) who created the problem know how to solve it. May be Congress want to hand over Kashmir to Pakistan. Rahul
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
Good news! Congress can also solve problems. Well people think it can only create problems and has the expertise in sustaining them for long to the benefit of democracy (for Cong). Manoj Ahuja
Date:Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:31:25 +0100 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
It is a great joke. Congress president says that congress only can solve the kashmir problem. It's really a joke. Does congress think kashmerees have no sense. What had congress done for the last 50 years...let people think...! SK Krishna Babu
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
Sonia gandhi needs to think before she speaks and keep her dumb comments to herself. congress has only made the situation in kashmir worse during its rule not to forget that it was responsible for punjab too. Asheesh
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:34:18 -0400 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
Kashmir is a problem created by her own family....and how in the world is she going to solve it....? Vaibhav Joshi
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:18:17 -0700 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
I think that the problem was kashmir was created by congress and now they say they can solve it. All the political parties only encash on the people belief and no party is considering the problem to be solved are only pretend to solve the problem of kashmir. Giving a special status to kashmir is one of the blunders done by Nehru.with that kashmir was never considered as a integral part of India. at the time of Indira Gandhi matter has got worst. Venkat
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
Yes Of course, Only they can "solve". For basically they created it and made it this worse during their 45 years of rule. Ms. Gandhi is turning into a "true" politician. She knows how to exploit the feelings of the people to gain political mileage. She is also after all in the business of politics. How deep a wound Kashmir is in the minds of every Indian needs no elaboration. Empty rhetoric on solving the issue has been in the air for long. But with a deep feeling of desperation we realise that there is no solution to the issue. The divide is in our minds. Bifurcation, Trifurcation, accepting LOC as the int'l boundary are all steps that will need to new problems. But whatever be the efforts made we pray that let these politicians bury their differences in this matter and come out with a common solution and work towards it rather than fighting with each other which only helps in weakening India's case. Sajith Kumar
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:08:49 -0400 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
Let's take this claim seriously. Nehru created the Kashmir problem by going to the UN. Indira Gandhi recreated the Kashmir problem by getting the Abdullah and sons empire to rule J&K. Rajiv Gandhi re-recreated the problem by rigging the elections so that Abdullah clan can rule J&K. During this epoch, militancy in J&K and alienation of the people began. This is the congress legacy due to which we have the Kashmir problem. Maybe they have something else in mind. Hmmmm! Kaushik Kumar
Date: 19 Sep 2002 15:37:26 -0000 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
If there was ever a party which is solely responsible for creating the mess now commonly known as Kashmir, it was the same Congress. Then headed by a unrealistic Prime Minister, congress while in government accepted Article 370. This article gives a sense to Kashmir leaders that they are above the rest of India. The mistake was so huge that Sheikh Abdulla had to be jailed later for his attempts to secede from India. Sanjeev
Date: 19 Sep 2002 15:16:46 -0000 Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
I guess, sonia hasn't learnt indian histroy. Congress is the creator of kashmir problem. Pt nehru in 1962 war with china lost the aksai chin to china. greater blunder was done by Indira Gandhi, having lahore in our hand, and so many POW 1971, we should have exchanged it for POK in shimla agreement. Raghavendra Shenoy
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Sonia calls for a 'final solution' to Kashmir problem
What a joke !! The Kashmir problem was created by Congress in the first place and now they want to solve it. If they had any serious intentions of solving the Kashmir issue, one would think that they could have done it in the last 40 years when they had a majority mandate in parliament. The Congress is a bunch of losers, who can only genuflect before dynastic leadership. What a shame that such a veteran party cannot find a leader from within its folds but has to give the mantle to a widow whose only qualification is that she carries the "gandhi' name. We Indians really cannot expect anything from such a defunct party. Seema Sohoni
Wed Sep 18 04:12:51 2002 'You Poor Browns Deserve Such Treatment'
Dear Eric,The English that you used to denigrate India and Indians is not "American". So what color is your skin? Versace Da Dilva
Tue Sep 17 21:45:47 2002 'You Poor Browns Deserve Such Treatment'
I am seeing that you publish the mails only when some one maligns India or Hindus. Another hypocrite media. Media like you have taken our country to such a level that everyone is trying to be either pseudo secular or showing the world that he/she is capable of self criticising. Learn a lesson from the western media. How they blindly support their country and their race. Indrasish
Date: Tue Sep 17 20:44:35 2002 Subject: 'You Poor Browns Deserve Such Treatment'
This is how somebody posted a message on rediff and now I cant find it anywhere. He mocks us for our under development. I am not here to shout my head off in hoarse protest. I am here to offer my sympathies to him and his country men who dont realize that its more important to live a life where people dont call you names, and live and die to hate you, rather than a life surrounded by machines and structures earned out of pillaging others. This is what happens when you use your balls more than your brains en masse. We do use it too, we have only produced 1 billion men and women, not a billion idiots. And remember, the island from where most of you came once claimed "Sun wont set on...what was the name of that crappy piece of land?" Where are they today? Of course in your stupidity, they are the only ones that stand by you. Apart from that they have no identity. Remember, civilizations rise only to fall. We realized it as we are civilized since the past 6000 years, and you have not, for you were not civilized even for six seconds. You kill to feed yourself. Do you expect a different retaliation to yourself? Srihari
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:38:58 +0530 Subject: 'You Poor Browns Deserve Such Treatment'
The definition of impoverishment is ambigious. The US has a population of around 250 Million, and India has a population 4 times the size. If you multiply the average per capita GNP of India by 4 you will find that India's standard of living is comparable to that of many of the (so-called) East Asian countries - these are derived from Paul Kennedy's figure and not conjured from out of a hat - this 'impovershment' that Eric refers to is question of Malthusian economics. Moreover, the use of the word "representation" belies the fact that the opinion (Eric's Included) is a 'generated opinion' and not merely factual - IMF, UNDP notwithstanding.
What is the international community? Does it include the whole of Africa, Eurasia, Middle East, Central Asia, South Asia, East Asia, the Pacific Rim, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Latin America - in addition to the US and Canada? What is this international community that Eric refers to? I think, he implies the US and while he is certainly entitled to his opinion, to bandy it about as being a global opinion is irresponsible and arrogant - but what else can one expect of that group of people in the US who are collectively signified as "white trash" - not only "internationally" but by the Americans themselves.
Eric implies that India/ Indian or for that matter any other country will have to prove to the West that we deserve respect - like I guess the Americans did in Japan (yes, I am raking up history), like America did in Vietnam (with blatant disregard for Vietnam and its population), like America did in Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua (it is not we, Indians, who created the School of the Americas - the first formal 'Terror Institute' created to teach American lackeys on how to violate civil rights with the use of terror and police power - liberally funded, I might add, by the CIA and the USG), like the Americans did in the Middle East (Reagan sends this Peace Keeping Force to Lebanon as neutral peace keeper and simultaneously orders the USN to open fire onto the Bekka Valley) - is this how one 'proves' oneself? Or perhaps, in concert with the former Soviet Union stockpiling as many as 50,000 - 60,000 nuclear weapons is another way of proving the 'manhood' as so desired by Eric and his ilk!
In so far as messy, lawlessness and corruption is concerned, one wonders why Eric came to India to see this for the first time - all he had to do was to visit the inner cities of the US with their sub-standard education, racial tensions, shanty towns, gang wars, etc - why not go to LA, Miami, Memphis, NY, the Southern States. They all have their ghettoes and their 'white' counterparts in states like Montana, Wisconsin, Nevada, West Virginia etc. Also why does Eric forget the Indian Reservations - is there any other existing example of 'concentration camps' in the modern era? You, Eric and your type, have murdered a 'nation', deprived them of their lands and have pushed them to the very edge of total destruction. I would say that India (with all its faults) pales before this display of wanton power lust and blatent disregard for the Human!
Yes, we got our freedom in1947 and you got your 2 centuries before. Do you reasonably expect a nation-state to achieve levels of economic prosperity in large measure (having missed out the benefits of, among other things, the Industrial Revolution - thanks to the Imperial British) within a span of 50 years. But, I caution you - the dynamics of global economics have changed. It is no longer solely based on the 'bricks and mortar' economy. Thus, a greater part of your Silicon Valley is controlled by Indians - who happen to be "brown", the better part of your military R&D is controlled by Indians and Chinese scientists, over 40% of your real estate is controlled by the Japanese, your automobile industry is controlled by the Japanese and you teaching establishments are controlled by a large variety of 'internationals'. So, in a net assessment, where does that leave the US? Its population is fast aging, education levels are fast dropping, internationally the US is becoming increasingly isolated and the US has probably the largest number of enemies - latent and overt in the world and not simply because the US is a prosperous country but because of attitudes like the ones displayed by Eric.
Who are you to determine what we deserve and what we do not? Why do we have to prove anything to anyone? And talking about honour - why not take the case of a current illustrious US Statesman - Colin Powell - the 'icon of a diverse America'. Colin Powell was marginally involved with the Mai Lai incident in Vietnam - a fact that he glossed over - don't take my word for it - why not ask Ron Kovic (remember Born on the Fourth of July - well he wrote it), Colin Powell was heavily involved in the Iran-Contra scandal and for good measure rubbed shoulders with Noriega and others like him and lastly, he displayed ineptitude in his handling of the Gulf War (if one can call it that - after all one does have to cater to the armaments cartel in the US) where he ignored the wise advise of his field commanders (yes, there are Americans who have a level head and are fair and sensitive) and catered to the war-hungry demands of his President.
Where is the 'honour' in all this? What Eric perhaps does not realize is that while a 'brown nation' like India, among others, is slowly strengthening its internal sinews, the US is on a downslide - perhaps Eric should read Spengler's Decline of the West in a new light - but again, that might be too much to ask from him - after all barely 40% of the US population has any education worth mentioning and any ability to engage in the critical power of thinking. Last but not the least, Eric, despite your comments - which were in bad taste - we, the citizens of India do send our condolences for the grave national loss faced by your country in the recent past and offer our assistance - perhaps the US can learn a thing or two (with us and from us) and be able to slow down the inevitable decline or even arrest the downward slide that your country is faced with. Perhaps I should add - God Bless America! Manav
Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: Was Buddha born in Orissa?
It doesn't matter, but previous claims may be wrong. Let the ideas float and should be presented to the readers. Any way this new information about Buddha's birth place is worthy of discussion and further investigations. Bhupendra
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:47:23 -0400 Subject: Was Buddha born in Orissa?
It seems very likely that Buddha was born in Orissa. Like rest of the history (Remember Aryan Invasion theory?) the birth place of Buddha in Lumbini seems to have been manipulated. India is constantly and deliberately deprived of its glory and achievements. The spineless Indian Govt. is not ultimate authority but the facts of the case of Buddha's birth is important to over rule any motivated prejudiced earlier judgment. Indian govt. still allows teaching of absurd Aryan Invasion poison to Indian students. Raja
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:49:14 -0400 Subject:India received US support in fighting terror: PM
What kind of lies is PM spreading? I have checked every western News outlet and nobody has mentioned of US support to India. This PM is faking all this. He trying to hide the fact that Mush. was given more importance to him. Arjun Shetty
Date: Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: How Golden Was the Mine
An interesting report. Well written with enough details and on a topic that is bound to generate a lot of discussion. Well done. N.Jagirdar
Date: Monday, September 16, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: How Golden Was the Mine
This is a nicely written article on KGF. I have spent a lot of my childhood in KGF along with my cousins. Have been into the shaft at Champion Reefs many times. I feel the thrill even now. It would have been a good tourist spot but as there was nothing in it for them the Delhiwalas could never comprehend this aspect. Thanks to Gita to have revived my memories of yesteryears. R.A.Srinivasan
Date: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: How Golden Was the Mine
Gita Aravamudan is to be congratulated for her excellent reporting on the Kolar Gold Fields. I have also read her earlier report of May 6, 2000. Her account is both interesting, factual, and very well written. I visited KGF in 1950 as a student from Bangalore. There is a minor error. The Roman historian Pliny (AD 23-79) visited Germany and Spain besides of course his native Italy. He never got anywhere near India. His celebrated "Natural History" devotes Books XXXIII to XXXVII to minerals and metals. If the Kolar Gold Fields are mentioned there it is because of information from other sources.. See the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Jamshed Mathur
Date: Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: How Golden Was the Mine
Nice article about my home town. I have lived for more than 20 yrs in KGF. Even thou not involved with mining as my father was a teacher, I was in close touch with BGML and all its influences (one cant escape that in KGF). It was hard to see a town die. It was like as if we had a 9/11 everyday in KGF. But the mining workers would still be happy. The ones outside of mining were always worried. I have certainly heard another version of how kolar got its name. It has something to do with hindu myth about a crore gods residing on those rocky mountains. (kotie is a crore in telugu). Venkatesh
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: How Golden Was the Mine
The report is good , convert the mines as tourist spot with mine tours and soviners shops . and also few old video clips/ photos on display, of course there will be eating joints. Raja
Date: Saturday, September 14, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: How Golden Was the Mine
Read the report with misty eyes!! I am a product of the KGF Boys School along with so many of my dear friends (passed out in 1974). I also grew up in one of those glorious bungalows on Smith Road in Marikuppam (very close to Champion Reef). Innocent sun-filled days of a distant past gone forever. What is your connection with KGF? Did you (or somebody you know) grow up there too? I am with Air-India at Mumbai and you can imagine what the change was like - coming from KGF to Mumbai!! Sridhar
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