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The H1-B Message Board

Fri Apr 13 19:53:49 2001
Name:Navin
Email:acharya_navin@rediffmail.com
Views:Hiring freeze is understandable. But layoffs are pretty disheartning. This should stop. ONce u r hired ...thats about it!!

Fri Apr 13 20:00:46 2001
Name:prash
Email:prash31@yahoo.com
Views:It's a myth that the Indian H1B workers are the only victims who got affected in the current recession. Logically if you see most of the H1B workers work as contractors with high billing rates comparred to the permamanent employees.Hence when there is a time for layoff naturally the Contractor(H1) guys get affected.Moreover, Clinton himself have admitted that "Indians have done more to America than the Americans".

Fri Apr 13 20:07:28 2001
Name:Venkat
Email:venkata72@yahoo.com
Views:This is the time to send a CLEAR message to all those "STILL DREAMING THE AMERICAN DREAM" that they should wake up. Not that all would lose their jobs, not that the economy would never get back on track, not that we should cry for being hired and fired at will, not that we should be treated BETTER than most workers ...But just plain fact that America as people back home dream is not true in its entirety. How many people have told to friends and relatives back home that they bought a car within a couple of months of landing here but did not tell them that they have to pay $1000 for it monthly?.. How many of you have told that you were on bench getting $10-$25 dollars ( More?? ) a day and living in squalid conditions in the so called guest houses ( Now don't tell me you don't know what it means for people back home..Definitely something very great to live in correct ? )..How many of you have told that most cabbies , news paper vendors , motel workers who are here are illegal and non-american..Did you ever find an American selling a News Paper or managing a Gas station.. Come on America thrives on slavery in one form or the other..( Yes some would prefer this to nothing back home...But for God's sake tell this too ).. You would be surprised to find so many people slipping into America illegally..and they trace an Iraqi bird if it enters into their territory... How many of you have told that you have to PLAN to get ILL just because you would have to take an appointment from the doctor? I know people would sigh to even think of it..But if we are as responsible in India as we are in an alien country India has hopes.. How many of you would NOT pay taxes if the IRS shows some relaxation? EVERYBODY? Just because law in India is not yet in place and implemented we are getting away with not paying our taxes.. Yes I too am not sure how to stop corruption.. But can we dismiss our country to oblivion of cor

Fri Apr 13 20:21:37 2001
Name:Dibyendu Banik
Email:dibyendu.banik@patni.com
Views:I feel this recession will not last long and USA as it is will again become the heaven as it is for all tech aspirants.

Fri Apr 13 20:46:21 2001
Name:Vinod
Email:sheeju@hostpro.net
Views:The company at which I have been working as a consultant for the last 2 yrs agreed to take me as an employee but backed out when they realised I dont have a green card !? Do they hire people for their skills or for the legal mumbo jumbo? Why are the big companies shy of sponsoring an H1B ? My contract is expiring in 2 months and I dont have a backup yet.

Fri Apr 13 20:46:48 2001
Name:arun
Email:arunkb27@yahoo.com
Views:hello sir can the people out of the US co. can find a job in the US else will they find in india my brother is working on mainframes he is asked 2 leave will he find one job in US or india expecting ur reply regards arun

Fri Apr 13 21:03:02 2001
Name:Mahesh K
Email:mash_k@rediffmail.com
Views:Its a shocking incident first of all and a nightmare to me. because I am as a victim of this slowdown, but lost the job would like to quote more on this issue.

Fri Apr 13 21:16:29 2001
Name:Pats
Email:jayp@nyc.com
Views:Come on guys grew up. When we came here we knew that at some point we have to go back. Then Why we feels bad? I know that we have to start our live once again from the start but its not that hard.

Fri Apr 13 21:30:19 2001
Name:WLSwlswls
Email:wlstech@usa.net
Views:If One has to go back to india, then Is there any tips to DEAL with CAR LOAN APRATMENT LEASE OTHER BILLS CREDIT CARD Thanks

Fri Apr 13 21:40:52 2001
Name:taapas
Email:taapas@hotmail.com
Views:Dear Indians I am a H1B holder.I was wondering that didnt we knew when anything that someone does do according their nature. When we come here like Indrajeet Mohile said in one of the previous message that it is disgraceful to stay as a second citizen for whole life. But as long as we stay we should act as an AMBASSADOR of our country. So that when we go people from here should remember that those people who were here worked in the country contributed for their country to grow were HUMBLE and NICE. So that our friend JOHN WOO should not tell these words that he did... and LET 27s make our country STRONG and PROSPOROUS enough that our AMERICAN FRIENDS come to INDIA for employment and we will make sure we will NOT LET THEM GO WHEN WE RUN TO CRISIS Jai Hind

Fri Apr 13 21:47:31 2001
Name:Simitt
Email:Simitt_desai@dell.com
Views:Q.Why does everybody come to the US of A? A. To make money. Q. Why does everybody feel the pinch when they are unable to stay here permanantly? A. Because they forget their country of origin(hate too) and also forget their parents. Q.How many of you who have come here have called their parents withing the first 2 years? A.very few. Q. Why feel about the torture, pain? A. Because you have never tried being successful in your country of origin before coming here. Always seen America as a land of success. To those who feel: IF YOU CAN DO IT(ACHIEVE SUCCESS) IN INDIA , YOU CAN DO IT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. AMERICA HAS BEEN ECONOMICALLY POWERFULL ONLY IN THE 19th and 20th century. WHO WILL BE IN THE 21st , 22nd and 23rd IS YET TO BE SEEN. ENJOY LIFE AS YOU HAVE ON AN AVERAGE ONLY 70 years TO LIVE. SO HOW DOES IT MATTER WHERE YOU ARE LIVING? THE GITA SAYS , IT IS WHAT YOU DO IS IMPORTANT NOT WHERE YOU ARE.

Fri Apr 13 22:12:08 2001
Name:Khurshed Marolia
Email:khurshedm@rediffmail.com
Views:I think US is not the only place to dig your brains. I feel that place like Aus, NZ or Canada......have equal opprotunities. bye

Fri Apr 13 22:39:50 2001
Name:RM
Email:RMPS@yahoo.com
Views:Why is it that every person arriving in the USA on any kind of visa assumes that he / she has a life long right to stay in this country , grabbing employement from the domestic population. I am myself here on a visa and before arriving I made it clear "it is the survival of the fittest"..why all this cribbing..i read a message by someone saying "i've been here 2 months ...how safe am i ..and stuff...c'mon now this person assumes it is the responsibilty of the US government ot take care of him and his employement...ok..the companies hire you and pay you...they pay you much much more than an average american earns...cos of your skills...now if you expect the companies to keep paying your salaries without any profits then we all can have a hearty laugh...why dont we think more practically and logically about the whole equation ...is the INS or the industry obliged in any way to take care of us...we are all proffessionals here..its a give and take relation...so stop cribbing and face it ....

Fri Apr 13 22:50:36 2001
Name:Anuj Khandelwal
Email:anujkhandelwal@hotmail.com
Views:An unfortunate thing to happen.

Fri Apr 13 22:51:46 2001
Name:H1B Surgeon
Email:sdokis2000@yahoo.com
Views:Play the Game Guys. We asked for it, we got to face it. All the best, H1B Surgeon

Fri Apr 13 22:55:23 2001
Name:Rajil Kulkarni
Email:rajil_kulkarni@hotmail.com
Views:obivously they have no choice other than returning back to India or search another job in US. But if companies have decided to cut-off then unfortunately they have to come back to their mother land.it's very hard to understand but only those who are going thru this stage can feel.my best wishes are with them.All the best to my Indian friends in US.

Fri Apr 13 23:00:27 2001
Name:P.R.
Email:pr@usa.net
Views: The Slowdown in the US Economy has had one good thing the internet/dot com bubble has finally burst. At one time every second person wanted to join a startup and dreaming to be a millionaire overnight. Ofcourse the layoffs is very bad news and more so for H1 visa holders since they are foreigners and have only 10 days to leave the country once out of job (nobody seems to know the current law whether this is true).For Indians who constitued 60 % of the h1 quota in USA this really sucks. A positive outcome of all this is perhaps the best will probably survive and it will eliminate the mediocore. At one time every one back in India seemed to have been bitten by the software bug. For eg in Hyderabad there was IT training schools mushrooming in every nook and corner of the city.The joke was that even bus drivers,paan wallas in AP were jumping into the IT bandwagon and catching the next flight to San Jose. All those craze will hopefully end and hope that indian IT cos. get good business from other countries like Japan,Korea, Australia,Africa and ofcourse Europe instead of just concentrating in the USA.

Fri Apr 13 23:03:31 2001
Name:sam
Email:sam@sam.com
Views:Hey everybody, I feel we should go back to our motherland. We are the 'Best' in the industry. We can definitely make the 'American Dream' true back in India. We just need to reorganize ourselves, plan and implement the plans. I am sure we could come up with good competing technologies, software products abd business models and bolster our stand in the IT arena. Maybe the 'H1B fallout' could be the trigger we have been waiting for. India is famous for its cheap, skilled labour. It has happened since centuries. But the change can happen now. Lets make India the pioneer in the IT field. Let the next ten technology breakthrough happen in India. Let the next ten fortune 500 companies come from India. Let the next hundred innovators be from India. Let the next thousand achievers be from India. Let the lakhs of "H1B's" contribute the process. There are crores of Indians who can help. We can do it !!! Come on India dikha do ........ Regards SAM of Dal Chawal for Dil

Fri Apr 13 23:08:01 2001
Name:Rahul
Email:r_rahul@yahoo.com
Views:If you are fired go home. Stop whining.

Fri Apr 13 23:12:54 2001
Name:jack
Email:jack_jj@rediffmail.com
Views:Hi guys! There is nothing happening against the Indian techo's or that the US is planning to return or cancell H1b's. The problem is with the middlemen in the business who screwed up the economy.

Fri Apr 13 23:24:10 2001
Name:Sabir Chowdhury
Email:sabir@atesto.com
Views:I don't think this tech slow down is leading to a recession. This is only a "business slow down" not that the entire "US economy is down". There must be a bottom of this slide. But as a H1B worker I do believe "we are the most vulnerable" part of the entire phenomenon and after all we are just "guest worker". If someone from us ever get laid off ``We keep trying till we get something to happen, (but) once we know it can't happen it's wise to pack and go back.''

Fri Apr 13 23:48:29 2001
Name:Madhusudhan
Email:peddamadhu@indya.com
Views:It's painful to all us.

Fri Apr 13 23:58:35 2001
Name:Vijay Kulkarni
Email:kulkarni_va@hotmail.com
Views:It is a tough situation I bet, sure scenario will change sooner or latter, but till then go on a vacation and have some fun. There is nothing anyone of us can do to change the US economy.

Fri Apr 13 23:58:35 2001
Name:jay
Email:tjayant@eudoramail.com
Views:Hi Guys, All the guys from H'bad,B'lore, MDS flooded US with fake resumes and good for nothing Knowledge. US has woken up i thing to allthese fakes,No sympathy is needed from US pack your bags and leave jay

Sat Apr 14 00:07:17 2001
Name:Anonymous
Email:a@a.com
Views:If a H1B worker is laid off, all the social security that is squeezed out a H1B worker's pay check should be returned. Also, the employing company should provide enough severance....severance on the same terms that the americans are given. Last word, the american dream is a nightmare now. As Indians, we should start developing our own infrastructure and products. We did it for the americans. We need to do it for ourselves.

Sat Apr 14 00:08:31 2001
Name:Balu
Email:tbalu@hotmail.com
Views:First of all, there is no job security here unless you stick to one client and make your position stronger [in the sense your client should think other than you nobody can perform better].

Sat Apr 14 00:08:36 2001
Name:venki
Email:svenki50@hotmail.com
Views:they should be given more time to look for a job

Sat Apr 14 00:09:33 2001
Name:tapan
Email:tapanv@yahoo.com
Views:H1B should have some law which can make them feel secure, and not so vulnerable in the slowing economy.

Sat Apr 14 00:18:29 2001
Name:Naren
Email:dnaren@yahoo.com
Views:Here are the reasons why some H1-b workers are first to get laid off 1. Many of H1-b workers are contractors working through body-shop companies. These contracting companies charge the client at abnormal rate. (The h1-b worker sees very less of what he/she is earning). Cutting these contractors is a good choice. 2. Most of the H1-b contractors are fraud. They prepare fake resumes with false skill set and experience. Again, the consulting/contracting companies play a big role in preparing and passing the fake resumes. They are not worth continuing with, so the companies sack the incompetent H1-b workers. Is there any H1-b worker with good technical skills and who has contributed to the success of the company lost his/her job? This stock market slump is a blessing... all the idiots with fake resumes and degrees will go down. I wish this stock market slump and economic slow-down stay this way for another 6 months. The traffic constables from AP, bank clerks from UP who came here with fake resumes and degrees... start working in NJ gas stations. Good luck!

Sat Apr 14 00:20:49 2001
Name:prasad
Email:pkaravadi@lycos.com
Views:I am not wondered about the consequences if one looses employment. Because as a H1-B person one is aware of these things. Until the 'that'card comes I think am an Indian and my home is back in India, I wouldn't be sad/ surprise to go back my home. I feel really happy and satisfied to work here and if things go bad always there is our mother 'Jai Bharat Matha'.

Sat Apr 14 00:20:54 2001
Name:atul
Email:hellopune@rediffmail.com
Views:I think it is perfectly fair on the part of united states to ask these people to leave. They came there for business, and at no time I think american government or people gave them the impression that they are wanted there for anything else but for the work that they can do there. It is perfectly fair

Sat Apr 14 00:40:26 2001
Name:Sugar Pill
Email:sugarpill_2000@yahoo.com
Views:Its not that we didn't know that the job insecurity is a hallmark of the american work culture. Its not just H1B visa holders but tons of Americans who are hit by the recession. Its good for the brain drain concept in India.For once we might have some smarties going back home and not constantly running after money. I know its emotionally stressful but one should always be ready for the worst and how could anybody not guess the bubble of overemployment would burst soon. All I can say is be strong and move on. Take home what you've saved and start again.Its all a part of life.

Sat Apr 14 00:42:24 2001
Name:Raj Mehra
Email:rajmehra@hotmail.com
Views:Laws of Immigration: LAW 1: A Desi Will Continue to Stay in USA Due To Inertia or Greed until A Force Called Deportation Is Applied. LAW 2 : The Force of Deportation F = ma Where :- m = Amount Of Money Desi Earned/Saved in USA. a = dm/dt = The Rate at which Desi Saved Money. (This is contrary to the Popular Belief that Desi will return back after making lot of Money.) LAW 3 : For Each and Every Desi That Goes Back To Desh For a Temporary Visit, A Desi Of Opposite Sex will come To USA On a Permanent Basis.

Sat Apr 14 01:17:27 2001
Name:Anonymous
Email:anonymous@yahoo.com
Views:I think its perfectly fair. Never ever had they been told that they are going to get th permannet job. The Visa H1 stands for "temporary". So, before taking job options here in US, they should have evaluated all the options and should have undersood the nature of job. They can not harp about putting the things onto perspective they are meant for. SO, if US economy does not need them they should better consider other option and plan to go to their mother land. India is a country of great potential. Go, turn the potential into opportunities. Do not sit here like losers, away from your near and dear ones, for the sake of few more dollars and fake social respectability. Awake to the reality and do not think of finding faults in US government. They are doing what they anyways made clear in rules of H1 B visas. So, its perfectly fair.

Sat Apr 14 01:19:04 2001
Name:rekha
Email:responses_2@hotmail.com
Views:I am working as tech. lead in an E-comm. company and have 7yrs. of exp. in IT field. I am still working on H1 and would like to apply for green card, but the current state of economy has put me on hold. Infact the job market in india is also equally worse. I did enquire with a couple of companies in india to ask if they have any openings for my experience, but none of them gave a positive reply. Its really hard to decide wheather its safe to live in US or go back to india. Is there any hopes of the US economy improving in the near future, if so when?. What about H1-B status of temporary workers?

Sat Apr 14 01:33:21 2001
Name:Bhupinder Preet Singh
Email:bhupinder14@rediffmail.com
Views:Well what i think of the question "is it fair?" the answer is a big NO,but i donot deny the fact the companies are facing a critical times. But, the companies else than seeing the depression they are facing, they should also care about the persons who have worked for them.They talk of the ergonomics, what kindof impression could be setup in the minds of the persons who are still working in the company "Just a sense of insecurity".They don't know when they will be thrown outlike their fellow employees.Now,moreover the companies will try to supress the employees by this, not said but meant, that they should work or they will face the same circumstances the other are facing. Now,options left at this moment are very little; either they should wait for the depression to get a bit low OR they could move to india as the india is their own country and all the multinationals are here and not last to say that they pay a huge salary as compared to the indian standards. Atlast, I will just want to say that companies should "Look before they leap" . Today they are throwing their employees out of the job but later they may not find the persons for job especially the indians who contribute maximum in this part of the world in this industry.

s Sat Apr 14 01:42:24 2001
Name:Prabhakar
Email:jcprabhakar@hotmail.com
Views:Better goto India with whatever money you have earned.As you are having your H1-B you can come back to US at a later time may be after 2 or 3 qtrs.Presently,the indian market is good with most of big US based companies planning to shift their projects to india due the economic crisis in India.so act fast,not to waste time and money here....

Sat Apr 14 02:35:39 2001
Name:babu
Email:nandanbabu@rediffmail.com
Views:yes,it is unfair the way indians are treated here for what all the contibution they made in IT Sector in United States.

Sat Apr 14 02:36:03 2001
Name:Ajit
Email:sikander@dil.com
Views:OK. lets get something from the replies so far... It appears that guys here in US want to get the maximum previliges from INS for their H-1. Is debatable but can be considered. What is surprising though is the fact that guys sitting in India want to see their H-1B counterparts getting screwed. now that is something basically wrong with their thought process. Finally, I am on H-1 too. I know I cant put pressure on INS. I know I can be laid off. I try to manage my own risk and advice you all to do the same. Going back to India is not bad, its great. Have a long vacation of 2 years in India, spend what you earned. Then when you are exhausted with your funds, jump back in. I for one believe that by then the market would have jumped back out of its own hybernation as well.

Sat Apr 14 02:50:15 2001
Name:KAPIL MAINI
Email:kapil_maini@hotmail.com
Views:I am a Radion Frequency Planning Engineer in the Cellular Services and I have recently got my H1 B visa stamped on my passport. How safe is my job inthe U.S. looking at the current situation. Are there any forthcoming projects in the near future. I have heard that the recession has not affected this field very much. Is this true?

Sat Apr 14 02:55:27 2001
Name:BalaSubramaniam
Email:batan90@hotmail.com
Views:I feel for those in this situation. I waited 4 years and survived to just get my GC. DUring the last 4 years I was pestered by job offers with more money and I ignored praying my GC would come before the axe. Now with the GC I have no calls from any headhunters. Still reading this message board makes me realise how in 1 month my worries have changed but on the whole I am probably still better off.

Sat Apr 14 03:00:19 2001
Name:Bala
Email:bmk50@rediffmail.com
Views:Friends, iam really surprised to see that so many of the H1B guys want to stay in this country at any cost.I admit everyone has their own reasons.I feel Indian H1B's have done a lot to America and to its economy,but what America has done to indian H1b holders??its true that we have been treated like untouchables(Like condoms),when they wanted us they used us and now they are throwing us.Its the white people dominant mentality,u cant lobby them to alter their laws.Remember friends,we dont belong here so,it may be u tomorrow.Be prepared for everything.instead of paying ur bills everymonth till such time u get a job(In this situation who can tell when???),lets go to our mother,and come back later whenever we want to.-Bala.

Sat Apr 14 03:04:09 2001
Name:Jayaram
Email:jayaram@hotmail.com
Views:INS should allow them to continue in US till the date of expiry of VISA. Rest, we indian know how to overcome the crisis & getting placed in new jobs.

Sat Apr 14 03:43:58 2001
Name:Srikanth Dola
Email:dsrikanth@hotmail.com
Views:Go Back...US is no good place for softies

Sat Apr 14 04:12:28 2001
Name:anon-USA
Email:tst99@hotmail.com
Views:Greedy Desi bodyshoppers are the main reason for the present state of H1-B employees. They have charged exorbitant rate with the clients (more than $100-$150) and paid measly amount to the employees. I feel that these desi bodyshoppers should suffer. But the employees those who were getting $50,000 and all shouldn't suffer due to this problem

Sat Apr 14 04:21:30 2001
Name:Thirumala Reddy
Email:gedipalli@yahoo.com
Views:We would not be feeling so let down,if only we had better politicians ruling us back home. If only they were good and sincere,we wouldn't even be thinking of coming here and what use is it to rue and curse. My country cannot use us and this country do not want us,sons of no God,perhaps.

Sat Apr 14 05:07:06 2001
Name:Sanjay
Email:ssinha@rediffmail.com
Views:Well, this was the choice, we made, H1B was always a Temporary Visa and in any case we could stay till there was work for us like slaves. But the lure for big bucks pulls us here. Now it is time that the gamble is not paying off so it is time to pack the bags and go back. In any case why forget if u would not have come here you would have been working in the same environment at the same salary back there in India. So this experience of coming to US shld. be taken as a blessing and an added experience. I do not see anything wrong in going back to India. After all we shld. serve our country as it has made us to what we are today.

Sat Apr 14 05:19:46 2001
Name:cop
Email:cop@hotmail.com
Views:A lot of crap happened in the past 5 years, too many rules were broken and too much money was drained. That era of extreme insanity is now over and there will be natural fallouts from this phenomenon, one of which is a higher unemployment for the US. The slower economy is going to effect everyone, just as a robust economy was benefitting everyone. Its a fair game and there is really no scope to complain especially for many h-1b workers who themseleves have many skeletons in their cubboards including - Faking resumes, showing inflated experience, ditching employers at the drop of a hat, thinking of themselves as masters of the universe, going to india and demanding huge dowries based on their h-1B status. Lot of excesses have been committed and someone has to foot the bill, as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch. Why expect the US govt to bend rules?

Sat Apr 14 05:54:42 2001
Name:Anurag
Email:anurag_us@yahoo.com
Views:Its really amazing to go through the views of our so-called Indian IT consultants. Its really very painful when I come to know that Mr. Software Engg. is full of pain since he has lost his job or layed off after 3-4 years of his stay in US and now has no choice but to go back to that motherland which made him capable to come to US and earn name, fame & ofcourse dollars. How can a person be in pain and in distress when he has to go back to his own country and own people, what can be the reasons ? Perhaps his spouse will leave him/her, perhaps his/her childrens will not be able to digest food and water, or perhaps thats the last country this so called high-tech software professional wants to go. Well we should be ashamed of ourselves. If we keep on changing our nationality in such a rate perhaps a day will come when we start changing our parents too without a 'hitch'. Are we not ashamed of telling that US used us when needed and is throwing us off now, are we that kiddish or cheap?Lets ask ourselves, 'Is it all the H1 holders birth right that once they come to US then they have to be here ? Why do not we take the things in the right way that we did got the exposure of a developed and most high-tech country and now lets go back home. The so-called Indians who do not want to go back under any cost must be deported back and should not be allowed to enter India as well. We are the people who have taken over the entire software industry in US without belonging to this place and should be confident enough of our survival anywhere and everywhere, can't we make our motherland like US too where we do not have to take any visa's and give a better tomorrow to our country which made us capable of reaching to this country or we just want to run away from the realities unless a day comes when all H1's are dumped in Pacific ocean. Lets wake up now and start preparing for a better tommorrow rather then crying and blaming anyone an

Sat Apr 14 06:24:48 2001
Name:Asvin Ananthanarayan
Email:aanantha@eecs.uic.edu
Views:I dont think its either right or wrong. When you have come to India on H1-B you KNOW that its a temporary WORK VISA only , not a green card. So its only fair that if u dont have work u go back. You have to be foolish to hope that just getting a H1-B , it means u can stay in this country forever.

Sat Apr 14 06:30:52 2001
Name:kasani
Email:ksomaiah@hotmail.com
Views:It is really sad! This trend leads to frustation among the technical professionals. - kasani

Sat Apr 14 07:37:12 2001
Name:bharat
Email:anamika9@email.com
Views:1. It is our own creation. People with medicore skills went to US as ERP, Web consultants and spoilt the whole thing for genuine candidates. As a community we are to be blamed. For falsifying the resumes and agreeing to work at the whims of Body Shoppers. 2. This reminds me of 1991-93 when the market was slow. Even US born citizens had tough time getting jobs. 3. In US nothing is permanent. Applies to Job, Hair, Girl Friend, Boy Friend. So take it easy Come back to India .We all will welcome with open arms.

Sat Apr 14 08:30:56 2001
Name:Vikas Chowdhry
Email:vikaschowdhry@hotmail.com
Views:Hello All Please do not hold any grudges against me for telling my views frankly. Please do not bombard me with hate mail. But when we came her on H-1 Visa, was it ever promised to us that we will be here indefinitely. Did we not know that we are coming her to fill a void. Is it not a fact that a lot of H1 workers come on made up resumes with mushrooming 'consultancies' in Hyderabad, Banglore and Delhi aiding and abetting it. We were not promised that once you are here sooner or later we will get a green card, we assumed such things. And now when we are sent back when we are no longer needed, we are crying ourself hoarse that a promise was broken, that we were part of the great american dream and we are being cheated. Before doing that think that were we promised anything. By forming associations, by crying wolf we are pnly proving that our country is so bad that saam dhaam dand bhed , we will stay here. Cmon guys, if some of u r so keen on getting a green card then put in some real work, do a PhD from here and get it. But please do not spoil the name of the great land where you come from. Vikas

Sat Apr 14 09:15:56 2001
Name:us citizen
Email:USCITIZEN@HOTMAIL.COM
Views:I guess all you guys are missing the point. It is typical Indian mentality, give me the space to stand and I will make the space to sit myself. The basic H-1 is "Temporary Work Permit". Now, unless all you guys only understand Gujrati or Bengali or what ever language you grew up in. I don't know what you guys don't understand about the H1B. As 1 + 1 = 2, Temp means Temp. Work is done, so go home. If they wanted you as permanents, they would have issues you Green Cards (which is still done for a specific trade and through the lottery system). I guess maybe the agents were too busy in getting you guys on the plane with false documents and experience. Look, no one gets rid of good workers, even if they are on H1B. So get on with the program and go back and make your country great. If an Indian can come to the USA and create great names , then I do not understand why they cannot do the same in India. Change your political system, become a power to be dealt with within India and then you will not be looking at the USA as the great white hope. You fools don't understand, they are making and will continue to make billions on your shoulders. And if you continue with this , they will just become more powerful and you guys will always find India to be that 3rd world country that you guys are making it. Don't blame others when that happens.

Sat Apr 14 09:25:17 2001
Name:Parry
Email:Zhakaas@hotmail.com
Views:Find another job and work for the competitor.

Sat Apr 14 10:08:54 2001
Name:snap
Email:uglykidjoe666@yahoo.com
Views:i really dont understand why some people r crying "ITS NOT FAIR". i dont think the u.s firms promised a job guarantee at any point of time. So its stupid to make such irrelevant statements. Its not obviously going to improve the situation. I think people should accept that every rose has a thorn and stop cribbing.

Sat Apr 14 10:12:09 2001
Name:Ravi
Email:ravishu@rediffmail.com
Views:It is only for temporary basis and the day's will become changed within a year.

Sat Apr 14 10:46:20 2001
Name:Yogesh B. Khandagale
Email:yogesh_kh@rediffmail.com
Views:following are highlighted points in one servay conducted by one british institute about HRD.- 1) Most average intilligent men -Indians 2) Best characters of average men - Indians 3) One indian = 3 british = 2americans = 3Japanies Bad points on which we have to improve 4)3rd lazy men- Indians 5)2nd political - Indians 6)Very poor managment. Besides having such good intilligance why we Indians dont build a silicon vally in India? Why to strive for that foreign contry even they dislike you, they dont want you? Infact they have used Indians to grow themselves by giving them so called luxurius life. And they are ready to Kick you off.

Sat Apr 14 11:11:10 2001
Name:Girish.R
Email:r_girishgowda@usa.net
Views:My way of thinking is different. I would like to tell the employers that they can have their people with them and pay them limited amount, atleast to survive there in States. So that they will no feel depressed. This will also help their families. The people who had lived in riches, if all at once pushed to road will have many difficulties. The employers can give an option of this and if the employee wants to continue can be there else he/she can pack back to their home town. I hope they will have made enough money for their rest of life. This can also be followed in India rather than laying off people. Cut down on the other costs which are not really required. As everybody hopes this slow down will not be for long, do something to survive and once the market is set again everybody can lead the same life as before. Only thing any body(an employee) can do is to pray not to be an prey.

Sat Apr 14 11:12:31 2001
Name:Triloknath
Email:htriloknath@lycos.com
Views:Its sad to see that bright people who have toiled so hard and left their loved ones behind to follow their career path at all costs are today on the roads. i am not talking about those who have already made their money and were either due back or those who opted to get their green cards. I am talking of those that have gambled their lot on the technologies and their gurus thinking that nothing can go wrong where everything was so right. Their very dedication will be their nemisis. They dont have any other skills or ambitions and had probably not dreamt of any other vocation. The least that the U.S government could have done was save them the humiliation for a situation which was not of their doing. If they do not do anyhing for these fellas, i am sure that no one will again trust the U.S or willigly work so hard for its succuss H.Triloknath

Sat Apr 14 11:13:15 2001
Name:Prakash
Email:montu_prakash@rediffmail.com
Views:Ya, its very bad to see althose dreams drown in the valley.

Sat Apr 14 11:33:37 2001
Name:Pitcheswara Rao
Email:pr_samineni@rediffmail.com
Views:Indian software Professionals built the American software kingdom. They used our people as long as they get profits.This is the very unfortunate move taken the US based companies. They reacted vey quickly.What answer the US senate and US software companies lobby will give to unemployed Indian software professionals,who fought against the US government for more H1-B visas without foreseeing the things to come. One thing i would like to say is our people depend only on US without seeing other Europeon and Asian Nations. I hope things will Set right in short while.The is no need to to panic.

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